Some guidance on growing out different types of seeds sent out over the past few months

It’s nasty outside, but Koda is happy on his bed.

It’s nasty outside, but Koda is happy on his bed.

By now (or if not yet, very soon), coin envelopes of seeds will be in the possession of many of you. I’ve sent a vast variety of seeds this time. They fall into a number of categories: my favorite heirlooms or Dwarf Tomato Project varieties (all released varieties), new indeterminate X indeterminate hybrids I created last year by crossing some of my favorite heirlooms, new indeterminate X dwarf hybrids I created last year to create new Dwarf Tomato Project families as starting points, and F2 generation seeds from 2 new Dwarf Tomato Project families created from my hybrids 2 years ago that have yet to be explored. Below I will discuss guidance for dealing with each of these categories.

  1. Released varieties - either indeterminate heirlooms or Dwarf Tomato Project varieties. These are for you to grow and enjoy. There is no need to keep detailed data, return saved seeds to me or report back - unless you wish to. I am always happy to hear about how they performed for you. Examples of this category are samples of Cherokee Purple (only a few generations removed from seed sent to me in 1990 by J D Green as an unnamed variety - how did this compare to your expectations or other seed sources for the variety, as an example question I’d love answered), or Dwarf Tanager - a newer, orange fruited release from our Dwarf Tomato Project. In many cases, I shared varieties with you that I hoped would work well based on your goals.

  2. New Indeterminate X Indeterminate hybrids I created last year. An example is Cherokee Purple X Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom F1 (that is what the packet label would say). There is also likely a number code, such as T20-132. That means it is saved seed from a Tomato grown in 2020, and is the 132nd variety I saved seed from that year. You will find but a very few seeds in the packet, as all of the seeds came from the fruit that formed when pollen from a regular leaf heirloom parent was applied to an emasculated flower of a potato leaf variety, resulting in a tomato. Once the saved seeds are gone, that hybrid is gone and I would have to recreate it. You only need to grow one plant, as all seeds in the packet of a hybrid should be equivalent. The goal is to find out about the characteristics of a new hybrid between two great tasting heirlooms. All should be indeterminate and regular leaf (the dominant trait when a regular and potato leaf variety are crossed). Do not grow out any potato leaf seedlings you get, as they would indicate an unsuccessful cross (I test grew them all last year and the regular leaf seedlings indicated successful crosses). They should be vigorous, high yielding, and show colors related to the dominant traits in the cross. I am most curious as to the quality of the tomatoes - flavor, yield, plant health - and size and color. I’d love to hear back from everyone who received seeds in this category. I am growing all of them myself, so we can have fun comparing notes. If you wish, this can be the starting point of new variety development. If you save seeds and grow them out, segregation into different combinations will be observed. 75% of the seedlings will be regular leaf, 25% potato leaf. *** Distinguishing Dwarfs from Indeterminates - added due to a great question on Instagram - It is quite easy to distinguish the dwarf seedlings very early on. They are half of the height of indeterminates and have a thicker stem. They also have differently shaped cotyledon leaves but it is a subtle characteristic that is not as easy to use as the stem thickness and height.. I’ve done a video on this which can be found here. *** Fruit colors, sizes and flavors will similarly segregate into all kinds of combinations. As an example, Cherokee Purple X Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom - I would expect the hybrid to be a large pink or red tomato (depends upon the skin color of Lillian’s Yellow - if clear, the hybrid fruit should be pink, but if yellow, the hybrid fruit should be red). I would hope the flavor to be excellent, but that hypothesis is something this project will explore - and either confirm, or surprise. Saved seeds would give potato or regular leaf seedlings of red, pink, chocolate, purple, yellow, perhaps even white, in addition to other combinations. Feel free to play with and explore these in future years. They can be a start to your own new variety, but it will take half a dozen or more generations of regrowth and reselection to nail down your goals. Unless my plants fail, I will not need any seed returned - it is yours to play with in the years ahead.

  3. New Dwarf Tomato Project families from Indeterminate X Dwarf F1 hybrids created last year. An example is Blue’s Bling X Dwarf Mocha’s Cherry F1. I carried out these crosses by adding pollen from an indeterminate regular leaf heirloom to an emasculated flower on a Dwarf variety. Seeds were saved after the developing tomato from the cross ripened, and in some cases with very small fruited or meaty varieties, few seeds were harvested. Your packets, therefore, contain only a very few seeds, but you only need grow one plant from each packet. The resulting plant will be regular leaf and indeterminate, thus confirming success of the cross. The resulting tomatoes will be somewhat of a mystery, as some of the crosses were very “wide” morphologically. In the Blue’s Bling (indeterminate, large purple fruit, regular leaf variegated foliage) X Dwarf Mocha’s Cherry (dwarf growth, round small purple fruit with strong antho coloring on the shoulders), I expect the hybrid to be medium small fruited, regular leaf, indeterminate pink in color. The flavor and other characteristics of the hybrid is of curiosity only, as the true objective is the results of growing out saved seed. Given this, save plenty of seeds to take forward for exploration. Saved seed will produce 75% indeterminate and 25% dwarf plants. You are free to grow out indeterminate seedlings, as they will likely provide some interesting results as the characteristics of each parent combine. The resulting dwarf seedlings are the main interest, however. One possible, though perhaps needle in a haystack, result of this cross could be delicious medium to large purple tomatoes with strong antho coloring on a variegated dwarf plant. Each new family I sent out will be similarly fascinating to work with. I am growing them all, and unless I have crop failure on any of them, there is no need to send back saved seeds. But I would appreciate reports and returned seeds once you get into dwarf hunting and growing in future seasons.

  4. Seeds of two new Dwarf Tomato Project families - Suzy F2 and Blazey F2 - In 2019, I crossed Dwarf Sweet Sue with Peach Blow Sutton to create the Suzy family. I grew the F1 seed last year and it resulted in an indeterminate plant with lots of medium sized pink tomatoes with some yellow. Seeds saved, the F2 generation, are what I sent out, and you got plenty to work with. Similarly, in 2019 I crossed Dwarf Blazing Beauty with Honor Bright to create the Blazey family. I grew the F1 seed last year, and it resulted in an indeterminate plant with lots of medium sized scarlet tomatoes. Lots of seed was saved, and some of you received good sized packets. The goal of Suzy is to create matte-skinned (there are none in existence yet), tasty dwarfs, either potato leaf or regular leaf, with excellent flavor no matter the color (which could be, at least, red or pink or yellow or white). The goal of Blazey is to create unique yellow-leaf (as in the parent Honor Bright) dwarfs with either regular or potato leaf foliage, with great flavor, no matter what the color (which could be limited to red or orange, but could also hold surprises). In both cases, sow lots of seeds - 75% will be indeterminate, 25% will be dwarf (if you plant 24 seeds, you should get, on average, 6 dwarfs). Since each cross carries the recessive trait of potato leaf, 25% of the dwarfs in your grow out should be potato leaf. With Blazey, the yellow leaf trait will express at 25% as well, so this may be worth planting in greater number. I would love to know how these do for you - and receiving back some saved seeds from any promising dwarf plants that you choose to grow out. I will be planting some of each and selecting a few dwarfs to grow myself and report on my results.

  5. Miscellaneous - some of you are doing continuing work on dwarf tomato project families or named varieties - please continue on, record results, return some saved seeds. Others are working on my peppers or eggplants from dehybridization work - again, data is important, as are returned seeds. Thanks as always for your contributions!

MOST OF ALL - have fun! I am delighted to be collaborating with so many of you on some rather unique little mini-projects!

Marlin getting a nice morning hug from my Sweet Sue

Marlin getting a nice morning hug from my Sweet Sue

Listening to music, watching the rain, thinking of gardening

Gorgeous day on our Blue Ridge parkway walk earlier this week

Gorgeous day on our Blue Ridge parkway walk earlier this week

We are in for a rainy stretch, and the forecast calls for wet and 40s for the next week and a half. Following that, the 50s appear, which will trigger emerging spring bulbs and the swelling of tree buds. We are a just a bit over one year since moving here, and last year was filled with the joy of seeing all that emerged, grew, blossomed in our various gardens. Though we know a bit more what to expect, it will be no less welcome, and thrilling.

Now that I laid out (in the three prior blogs) what I hope to grow, it gets down to the nitty gritty - getting my planting and seedling areas ready, finding packets of seeds and getting seed into potting mix, especially for the early greens and slow flowers. Yesterday I made my first purchase of seed starter/transplanting medium, and 10 2.8 cu ft bags sit waiting in the garage.

View of Looking Glass Rock from our Blue Ridge hike earlier this week.

View of Looking Glass Rock from our Blue Ridge hike earlier this week.

Retirement (and the inevitable, delightful ambiguity it brings) and COVID (the ambiguity from which is not delightful) mean a coming year with no clear definition yet. I know that there are scheduled Zooms (and surely will be more as requests come in). I know there will be a minimum of 20 straw bales and a yet-to-be-determined number of grow bags making up this year’s garden, as well as the two raised beds. I know that I will be deeply involved with a new project (which I am not ready to reveal - stay tuned!). And…..the book. Will this be the year that the Dwarf Tomato Project book gets written?

All I know is that time is flying by, the year will be busy, Sue and I are delighted with our three dog, two cat menagerie, we miss seeing our daughters, and there will be lots to share and discuss - many hikes to make, meals to make, veggies to pick and eat and cook with. I am glad that you are along for the ride! I expect that all of you who asked for seeds or books have them in hand. I can’t wait to hear of how things go for you (be sure to share on Instagram, blog comments or emails). Mostly - be safe, and be well!

Sue, Koda, Marlin, and show and ice on the Blue Ridge Parkway

Sue, Koda, Marlin, and show and ice on the Blue Ridge Parkway

Wrapping up my initial 2021 garden plans - peppers and eggplants - and a few more tomatoes

Ice seen on the mountainsides during a mid January walk on the Blue Ridge parkway (brrrr!)

Ice seen on the mountainsides during a mid January walk on the Blue Ridge parkway (brrrr!)

This is the third and final 2021 planning series of blogs, focusing on peppers and eggplants. The two previous covered tomatoes, and everything but tomatoes, peppers and eggplants. Note I said “initial” garden plans in the title - with thousands of options, I always reserve the right to make changes (and seeing what does and does not germinate always modifies my plans).

Sweet Peppers

I am going to focus on the usual set of sweet bell peppers from the last few years - final refinements to some dehybridization projects. From my work with Islander hybrid (aka Blue Jay), I will grow, all from seed saved last year, my current selections of Carolina Amethyst (already released, so just because I love it), Fire Opal, White Gold and Royal Purple. I will also grow out my work with dehybridizing the Stokes Chocolate Bell hybrid from quite a few years ago. It is currently boringly called “Chocolate Bell” but when I deem it ready it will get a more clever, enticing name. Finally, I will regrow my friend Darrel’s selection from one of my favorite sweet peppers, Orange Bell, first received in a SSE transaction decades ago. The working name is Orange Blocky Bell, and it will be from 2019 seeds.

My sweet peppers were a bit of a disaster last year, so I hope to do better with them by planting them in grow bags (not self watering containers) in a sunnier spot in the yard.

Hot Peppers

A nearby gardening friend sent me some fascinating sounding peppers in the super hot category. My curiosity means they will get spots in my garden. These are Pockmark Peach, Pink Tiger X Peach Bhut, Purple Orange Ghostly cross, and Count Dracula. I will probably also grow a Jalapeno, such as Pinata.

Eggplants

The focus here will also be on tidying up the dehybridization work from Orient Express hybrid. My three named selections, Midnight Lightning, Twilight Lightning and Skinny Twilight, are all in pretty good shape and will be grown from 2020 saved seed. I will also grow Mardi Gras, selected from a bee-produced cross involving Casper, which seems pretty much stable at this point.

Though they did slightly better than the sweet peppers, I will give the eggplants the grow bag treatment in a sunnier spot as well.

Late Addition Tomatoes

I received some treasured family heirlooms over the last months, and want to get them into the garden plans for this year. A variety currently named Bing (1920s), from Josh B (in my collection as tomato 7333), and a variety currently called Aunt Gladys (Melnick/Hall heirloom, #7262), and a version of Mortgage Lifter that the SSE sent me from its collection (Estler strain, #7203 in my collection) will all find a spot.

I will likely also be adding in some dwarf varieties, either from ongoing work, or released varieties I’ve yet to grow.

Seedlings to sell locally

My next task is to develop my locally available seedlings list. I probably won’t blog that, but will create a Word doc that I can send to local gardeners. I’ve got the first 10 bags of Metro Mix 360 ready to pick up at a local Ag supply store. 2021 Gardening is clearly underway!

From one of our January hikes in the Pisgah National Forest

From one of our January hikes in the Pisgah National Forest


What to grow in 2021? Part 2 - the non-tomato, pepper and eggplant choices

Pansies planted from seed in late 202, getting some sun in late January. Looking good!

Pansies planted from seed in late 202, getting some sun in late January. Looking good!

In my last blog, I took a stab on my tomato plans for 2021. My next blog will cover my pepper and eggplant decisions. However, we derived much joy - both culinary and aesthetic - from all of the other crops that graced last year’s garden. I just went through boxes and boxes of seed packets and made some decisions about what I hope to include in this year’s garden

First - what to skip in 2021

Though they really did well, I am strongly considering skipping the following: carrots (the Trader Joe bags of rainbow carrots are just fine, and to our palate, carrots are one of those crops that don’t taste appreciably better when home grown), sweet pod peas (for the pods - they take up lots of room, take lots of time and don’t yield nearly enough), and melons (I don’t have the proper location, they take up lots of room and time, and the local farmers market and produce stand provides plenty). I will likely reduce the amount of greens as well (chard, collards, kale, mustard). My goal is to increase those things we loved, and excelled, and eliminate or reduce either the failures or “planted too much of”s. We are going to give Sweet Peas (grown for the flowers) a pass this year as well - I’ve not got the timing or location down yet. Beets - they did great last year, but we didn’t eat as many of the greens as we did previously, they take space and time, and as with carrots, beets are beets, whether home grown or purchased at a farm stand, to our palate. (don’t get angry with me, home grown carrot and beet addicts!). I grew quite a few cosmos, dahlia and an old fashioned petunia last year, and we are going to give them a pass.

New for 2021

Rhubarb - I have some Victoria variety seeds from Victory and will give them an early start indoors. This will be my first attempt, and just want to try a few plants here and there. We love strawberry rhubarb crisp!

Spinach - I had a few plants from an Asheville nursery that did great, so want to grow a few varieties from seed. I have Nobel and Space from Johnny’s and will get some seeds planted indoors soon.

Flowers - I’ve got seeds of Larkspur and saved seeds from last year’s Cardinal Flower that are soon to get indoor planted. Three types of pansies, three types of coleus and Rocket snapdragons are up and growing nicely.

Peas - I will plant them thickly and early, but not for the peas - for the pea shoots, to use in stir fries and salads. Lovely sweet pea flavor is addictive! I’ve got packets of Little Marvel, Frosty and Recruit to plant.

Repeats

Sugar Snap Peas - the tall growing version. We loved them last year but didn’t plant nearly enough. They will go in early and all of our fence trellis area will be used.

Pole Beans Monte Gusto (a wax pole from Johnnys) and Fowler Pole - after the Sugar Snaps die back they will be replaced with some of each.

Greens - I will get seeds of various heirloom lettuce, collards, and mustard, and some Chard Bright Lights planted soon - these will go into my raised and elevated beds.

Zinnia - we had several types last year, but this year I am going with Thumbelina. Last year’s varieties were a bit too tall, with flowers a bit too large.

Cucumber - I LOVE Diva, but it did not like growing here (we were warned by some growers at the farmers market that it struggles here). I am trying a new Johnny’s hybrid, Unagi. I think I will grow it on the metal trellis against our fence.

Bush Beans - I am going to go with some favorites from last year - Marbel, Fowler and Jade, planted in straw bales. They were a spectacular success in 2020.

Summer Squash - Zucchini Dunja and Goldmine, Cousa type Magda, and Zephyr will be my choices, direct seeded into straw bales.

Basil - Though I love Genovese, the downy mildew loves it as well. I will plant some seeds of Gecofure, Devotion and Prospera indoors soon to get an early start. A friend send some Caramel Chianti seeds, which I will try as well.

I think that’s about it - it certainly is enough! Currently, our two raised beds have greens (they are really getting battle tested during this cold winter), and garlic, both of which planted in the fall. I’ve not yet decided what will go into them, but lettuce, spinach, and bush beans are all candidates for the summer.

A birthday walk for Sue, with Marlin and Koda, at DuPont Forest on January 22.

A birthday walk for Sue, with Marlin and Koda, at DuPont Forest on January 22.


Let's get the 2021 garden season rolling. Early thoughts and ideas...starting with tomatoes

January 8 light snow - yep, it’s winter!

January 8 light snow - yep, it’s winter!

Those big “2020 garden year in review” blogs were monsters to write, but serve as a nice garden diary that I will be sure to look back on. After that last one, in late December, all sorts of things happened - Christmas, New Year, and both our birthdays. With that all out of the way (and an appropriate amount of extra poundage that will get dealt with in the coming warmer days of gardening and hiking), it’s time to think about what to grow - and how to grow it - for the coming year.

Before I start to ponder lists and decisions, today was a big milestone day - all seed requests that came in between mid 2020 and last week are now fulfilled. I’ve sent so many packets of seeds around the world that awaiting reports and results in late summer will be loads of fun. More big news - Mike Dunton at Victory Seed Company released more of our new Dwarf Tomato Project varieties, bringing the number to 134 varieties. The project continues on still, with some really exciting releases to come.

I also hope to restart the Friday Instagram Live sessions in mid February. They were so much fun to do last year and answering all of your garden questions in a sort of flash session was a great challenge. I’ve also got some Zoom webinars scheduled and sprinkled throughout the year. If any of them are open attendance, I will be sure to let you know and provide the appropriate link so that you can check them out.

OK - now on to the options for the garden this year

Tomatoes - too many options, ruthless decisions necessary

Last year I went overboard with my 133 plants. I lost control, the tomato jungle became a tomato mess, and the season was cut short by disease and critter attacks. But….was it ever fun! 63 quarts canned, mostly from the indeterminate large fruited types, superb flavors, and much was learned about gardening here in Hendersonville.

Growing indeterminates in straw bales worked well, so I will repeat that format and layout. I need to pay closer attention to staking, pruning and topping. 12 straw bales mean 24 indeterminate varieties.

My current top choices for the 24 indeterminate tomatoes will be started with all of the new hybrids I created last year. The first 8 are indeterminate X indeterminate. The next 9 are indeterminate X dwarf, or dwarf X dwarf (#16 below). #18-24, finishing off the straw bales, are top flavor indeterminate heirlooms.

  1. Don’s Double Delight X Cancelmo Family Heirloom

  2. Ferris Wheel X Striped Sweetheart

  3. Cherokee Chocolate X Stump of the World

  4. Cancelmo Family Heirloom X Green Giant

  5. Blue’s Bling X Polish

  6. Cherokee Purple X Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom

  7. Cherokee Green X Caitlin’s Lucky Stripe

  8. Blue’s Bling X Little Lucky

  9. Blue’s Bling X Dwarf Mocha Cherry

  10. Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom X Dwarf Speckled Heart

  11. Cancelmo Family Heirloom X Dwarf Mocha’s Plum

  12. Lucky Cross X Dwarf Buddy’s Heart

  13. Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom X Dwarf Mocha’s Plum

  14. Lucky Cross X Dwarf Chocolate Heartthrob

  15. Lucky Cross X Dwarf Mocha’s Plum

  16. Dwarf Mr. Snow X Dwarf Mocha’s Plum

  17. Don’s Double Delight X Dwarf Mocha’s Plum

  18. Lucky Cross

  19. Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom

  20. Cherokee Purple

  21. Polish

  22. Cherokee Green

  23. Green Giant

  24. Brandywine

In front of each straw bale will be a container with a dwarf of some sort, or a determinate variety (to use as an example of determinate growth habit). Last year I grew out 4 new hybrids - Dwarf Sweet Sue X Peach Blow Sutton (the Suzy family), Dwarf Blazing Beauty X Honor Bright (the Blazey family), a purple and green striped micro dwarf with an heirloom indeterminate (either Cherokee Purple or Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom), and a compact determinate extremely fuzzy leaf variety (Fuzzy) crossed with an indeterminate heirloom (either Cherokee Purple or Lillian’s Yellow Heirloom). The grow bags next to each of the dozen straw bales will hold seedlings from these new hybrids.

There is a tomato that I grew way back in Pennsylvania, 1991, the year after I received the variety that I named Cherokee Purple. It is a variety from a fellow seed saver and amateur plant breeder named Tad Smith called Price’s Purple. Having the same color as Cherokee Purple, the plant of Price’s Purple is potato leaf. The last time I grew it was 2004, so I hope to see if I can germinate the 17 year old seed and grow a plant in my 2021 garden.

Another mystery I am working to solve is the Dwarf Tomato Project candidate Capri Show Stopper, named by Patrina in 2012 from the Pesty family as a nice flavored pink. We did a bit of work on it the past few years and what we now have is an indeterminate that produces either pink or yellow/red bicolored tomatoes. I am returning to the seed Patrina sent me to see if I can find the dwarf that she selected and named.

I may grow a few cherry tomatoes near the deck again - probably Sungold F1 (from new seed purchased from Johnny’s), and Egg Yolk. I will certainly keep them in better control.

Of course, there are loads of tomatoes I’d love to grow that are not included in my plans. The varieties I distributed in the dozens of seed shares I just sent off were made with this in mind; I will be doing a lot of vicarious gardening this year.

Walking on the Blue Ridge Parkway (the section near us is closed)

Walking on the Blue Ridge Parkway (the section near us is closed)